Interview with Chiron Pioneer Melanie Reinhart

Posted by Eric Francis

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In tonight’s Planet Waves FM I have an interview with Melanie Reinhart, author of Chiron and the Healing Journey. This is really the latest installment of a conversation that’s been going on for about 19 years, by phone, on Skype, at conferences and by email. The interview begins about one hour and 40 minutes into the show, and lasts a little more than an hour.

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Kyle McLachlan as Special Agent Dale Cooper / Dougy Jones, in Twin Peaks: The Return, currently on Showtime.

Dear Friend and Listener:

In tonight’s Planet Waves FM [play episode here] I have an interview with Melanie Reinhart, author of Chiron and the Healing Journey. This is really the latest installment of a conversation that’s been going on for about 19 years, by phone, on Skype, at conferences and by email.

Melanie Reinhart, author of Chiron and the Healing Journey and To The Edge and Beyond, is our guest this week on Planet Waves FM.

The interview begins about one hour and 40 minutes into the show, and lasts a little more than an hour.

Before we get there, I talk about the current astrology, featuring that interesting pattern currently developing between Mercury, Mars, Jupiter and Neptune. That morphs into Mars opposite Pluto on July 2. It’s going to be a rather lively Independence Day weekend.

I just discovered that the new series of Twin Peaks episodes began two months ago, and I have a review for you. David Lynch is again at his best, illustrating why things are so crazy on the planet. In essence, people are in a kind of daze, which provides the perfect opportunity for dark forces to work through us.

Juan Christian Guerrero summed it up best. “In its original run and as continued today, Twin Peaks is the most appreciably accurate, overdue, and total condemnation of extant Radical American Evil to have occurred as a cultural phenomenon since Bret Easton Ellis’ American Psycho — and outdoes that work in its doing so by vast degrees.”

Our musical guest is Radiohead, with samples of their 1997 album OK Computer. Much like David Lynch, Radiohead is bringing the news of what’s happening in the world, through one of the most influential records in rock history.

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With love,

Planet Waves

Just in time for the Great American Eclipse of Aug. 21, 2017, you’ll have access to a helpful, excellent video astrology reading. These will be done by sign and rising sign; each reading is about half an hour. You can pre-order now for the best price: $66 for all 12 signs. The price for all 12 will gradually increase in $11 increments over the next few weeks, capping out at $111 once we publish.

I’ve been a devoted student of eclipses since beginning astrology. Here’s some of my earlier writing, published before the grand cross and total solar eclipse of Aug. 11, 1999. These few paragraphs below will give you a feeling for just how significant eclipses are. This one is one of the most important in American history, which I’ve covered here.

Eclipses are astrology we can’t deny. If there is a conjunction between Saturn and Uranus, it’s invisible, and while many people may experience changes, only astrologers and their merry bands of readers and students know what’s happening. Yet when the Sun vanishes, you can be sure that normal activity will come to a stop.

Our busy world will pause, and everyone, from herbicide activists nestled in the hills of Oregon to rock stars in Nashville, will stand in the silent shadow of the cosmic order with the astonishment of small children coursing in their hearts.

This doesn’t happen often, and you can imagine the awesome power of so many people embraced in a kind of simultaneous, captive meditation as everything around them momentarily ceases to be normal. Call it a reality lapse, only it’s one into which the real reality can flow very easily.

In terms of their astrological meaning, eclipses of the Sun follow this image of collective awareness and radical break of continuity. Whether you can see the eclipse does not matter; part of the miracle of astrology is it works anyway. As many of us are discovering personally, eclipses are expanded moments of often uncontrollable, unpredictable change. They also bring the civilization and its communities together, usually through important collective events and the media.

Eclipses are evolutionary gateways, which is another way of saying that when they show up, we do a lot of growing in a short time. Delays are compensated. Old accounts can be wiped clean. While each is unique, eclipses often feel like being shot through a funnel of space-time, and we emerge somewhere different than where we entered. The key to making the best use of them is to move with the energy, not cling to anything or anyone too tightly, and to stay open.

Literally, breathe, communicate, feel, love, observe and receive. Remember your intentions. The sense of panic that sometimes accompanies them yields nicely to awareness and revelation, mental conditions that are more natural than we often realize.

13 thoughts on “Interview with Chiron Pioneer Melanie Reinhart

  1. Geoff Marsh

    Robert Hand has a cogent analysis of the transit of Mercury sextile to natal Chiron which resonates well with the “Say what you mean, mean what you say” concept discussed in yesterday’s article.

    “When communicating or cooperating with others we often encounter certain unspoken differences, reservations or sensitivities. These do not seriously hinder the process but interfere insofar that one must be circuitous and considerate – a circumstance that one accepts but in fact cannot really understand. This applies to dealings with others and, it must be supposed, when others deal with us. This influence offers the possibility of either raising such issues in conversation with others or being made aware of them in oneself. It is especially important that this be dealt with in a delicate and sensitive manner by both parties. Without real empathy and readiness to understand, it will be impossible to gain much from this quality of time.”

    The phrase “Say what you mean, and mean what you say” is asking for undiluted honesty and may well be intentionally confrontational. Are we having a discussion or preparing to fight?

    1. Amanda PainterAmanda Painter

      Interesting question, Geoff; I would posit that it’s possible to say what one means in ways that are less or more confrontational and still accurate and honest. Things like using “I” statements, tone of voice, some actual thought to word choice, can go a long way — especially in live conversation. Email and social media and texting are significantly limited in the ability to shape subtleties of meaning, and I think also limit our ability to receive and hear those subtleties.

      1. Eric Francis

        Kasia’s work demonstrates the importance of You statements. This is consistent with my gestalt training. One of Joe Trusso’s methods is to ask the client: WHO DID THIS TO YOU? POINT TO THE PERSON.

        1. Amanda PainterAmanda Painter

          Ah – interesting. I’ll have to make time to listen to the program. That said, you’ve often said yourself the importance/usefulness in using “I” statements in certain situations. Obviously there is a time and a place for each.

        2. Amy Elliott

          Amanda does allude in the Astrology Diary to what I think is an important point about ‘I’ statements: namely, that people use them to acknowledge uncertainty: that the statement in question is an opinion, an interpretation of the available facts, rather than an absolute. This allows for the possibility of error and might be said to demonstrate humility. Then again, it’s clear the ‘you’ statements you experienced were effective and important.

          1. Eric Francis

            Well, it’s a philosophy of a certain era, as is Nonviolent Communication. I am evolving my thinking based on new data, and recalling some of my experiences in therapy training.

            I-statements, in a sense, claim ownership but they also keep the focus on you; when you want to dominate someone, you have to put the focus on them.

            So in that sense, you are putting yourself into a submissive position by being self-referential. There is of course the problem of projection. But that’s a problem no matter what style of language one is using, and projection loses its power once it’s conscious.

            Of note, DeBeauvoir expresses her concern that women are trained to be entirely self-referential; she says they have a hard time getting out of the mirror in their compact case, because they’re so impressed by how adorable they are. Coming from a mind like hers, and from the most philosophically grounded feminist I’ve ever read, it’s a searing image.

          2. Amanda PainterAmanda Painter

            Though in the Monday Astro Diary, I was speaking specifically of the tendency to mix up “I feel” and “I think,” and what those misused phrases say about the underlying psychology. Whereas my comment here in reply to Geoff was more about “I” statements in general.

            Eric, regarding your reply to Amy here, I’m wondering: why are you wanting to dominate others? Seems to me you already hold positions of power. Or is it more that you’re feeling the need to shift your own psychological stance away from one of feeling generally submissive?

    1. Geoff Marsh

      Well spotted, John. Fact checkers also missed that Nick Drake died in 1974 in the Daily Astronomy Almanack for June 19. Ignored in death as in life, it seems. Astrological relevance: Mercury opposition Pluto today.

  2. LizzyLizzy

    Dear Eric, thank you for this truly amazing, fascinating interview with the wonderful Melanie Reinhart – just blew my mind. Was particularly moved by the beautiful figure of Chariklo. Can’t wait for the next round. Blessings and many thanks to you and Melanie.

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